Legislature(2019 - 2020)CAPITOL 17

03/19/2019 11:00 AM House ENERGY

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11:02:53 AM Presentation: Alaska Energy Authority - Overview & Updates
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                         March 19, 2019                                                                                         
                           11:02 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grier Hopkins, Chair                                                                                             
Representative John Lincoln                                                                                                     
Representative Ivy Spohnholz                                                                                                    
Representative Tiffany Zulkosky                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Zack Fields, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Lance Pruitt                                                                                                     
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY - OVERVIEW & UPDATES                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Energy Authority (AEA)                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented a PowerPoint titled "AEA                                                                       
Overview."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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11:02:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRIER HOPKINS called the  House Special Committee on Energy                                                             
meeting  to  order  at  11:02   a.m.    Representatives  Hopkins,                                                               
Zulkosky,  Spohnholz, and  Lincoln were  present at  the call  to                                                               
order.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY - OVERVIEW & UPDATES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   PRESENTATION: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY - OVERVIEW & UPDATES                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:02:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS announced that the  only order of business would be                                                               
a PowerPoint presentation titled "AEA Overview."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:03:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS  THAYER,  Executive   Director,  Alaska  Energy  Authority                                                               
(AEA),  presented   a  PowerPoint   titled  "AEA   Overview"  and                                                               
introduced  slide 2,  "AEA's mission  is  to reduce  the cost  of                                                               
energy in  Alaska."  He  explained that  AEA was created  in 1976                                                               
and was  an independent  agency as well  as a  public corporation                                                               
governed by  a board of  seven directors, which they  shared with                                                               
Alaska Industrial  Development and Export Authority  (AIDEA).  He                                                               
reported that  AEA developed  finance, as  well as  operating and                                                               
maintaining energy  systems, loan  programs, the PCE  (power cost                                                               
equalization)  endowment  distribution,  Railbelt  utilities  and                                                               
intertie, and  the Bradley  Lake dam.   He moved  on to  slide 3,                                                               
titled "AEA works with communities  to provide safe, reliable and                                                               
affordable  energy solutions."   He  pointed  to the  map on  the                                                               
slide, stating  that this was  a snapshot for where  AEA projects                                                               
were located.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:05:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  introduced slide 4,  "AEA Programs and  Projects" and                                                               
paraphrased from the slide, which read:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Bradley  Lake  Hydro  ? Alaska  Intertie  ?  Bulk  Fuel                                                                    
     Upgrades ? Rural Power System  Upgrades ? Rural Utility                                                                    
     Assistance  ?  Power   Cost  Equalization  ?  Renewable                                                                    
     Energy  Fund  grants  ?  Power  Project  Fund  Loans  ?                                                                    
     Alternative  Energy   &  Energy  Efficiency   ?  Energy                                                                    
     Project Development & Finance                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER moved  on  to slide  5,  "Bradley Lake  Hydroelectric                                                               
Project," stating that  this project was AEA's  largest asset and                                                               
was currently  valued at  $450 million.   He  shared that  it was                                                               
constructed with $328  million, half of which  was raised through                                                               
bonding and  the other half  was through appropriations  from the                                                               
State of Alaska.  He paraphrased from the slide, which read:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Produces ~  10% of Railbelt electricity,  4.5 cents/kWh                                                                    
     ?  Benefits  members  of ?  Golden  Valley  Electric  ?                                                                    
     Matanuska Electric ? Municipal Light & Power ? Chugach                                                                     
      Electric ? Homer Electric ? City of Seward ? Battle                                                                       
     Creek Diversion Project: $47M, will add ~10% energy                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS asked about the funding mechanism.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied that it was currently being bonded.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS asked if this was through AEA or the utilities.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  replied that  this  was  through  both AEA  and  the                                                               
utilities, as  the utilities paid into  some of the bonding.   He                                                               
reported  that the  Bradley  Lake  bonding would  be  due in  two                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS asked if the  percentage breakdown to the utilities                                                               
would remain the same.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied that the  percentage would remain the same and                                                               
he  referenced  the  Bradley Lake  hydro  agreement  between  the                                                               
aforementioned six utilities.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:07:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER paraphrased  from slide  6, "Alaska  Intertie," which                                                               
read:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     170 miles from  Willow to Healy ?  Allows Golden Valley                                                                    
     Electric Assoc.  (GVEA) to connect to  and benefit from                                                                    
     lower   cost  power   ?  Improves   reliability  within                                                                    
     Railbelt  system   ?  Operated  by  AEA   and  Railbelt                                                                    
     utilities ? $27.4M savings for GVEA in FY2018                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  pointed  out  that  neither  Seward  or  Homer  were                                                               
included as they were not on the Railbelt.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS  asked whether  Golden Valley  Electric Association                                                               
(GVEA) also bought power from Chugach Electric.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER expressed  his  agreement and  added  that GVEA  also                                                               
bought power  from Bradley Lake.   In response to  Chair Hopkins,                                                               
he explained that the shared  transmission with TRANSCO was not a                                                               
new concept.   This would be an agreement  between the utilities,                                                               
as AEA  was not  a party  to this agreement  because AEA  did not                                                               
have  a  distribution system  and  did  not  put power  into  the                                                               
transmission  system.    He  added  that only  four  of  the  six                                                               
utilities  had signed  on, and  he opined  that there  were still                                                               
some issues to be worked out.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOPKINS asked  if AEA  should be  a partner  in a  transco                                                               
[transmission company].                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied that, although  AEA already owned 170 miles of                                                               
the transmission  line, they did  not see a  need to have  a seat                                                               
"at the table because a lot  of it deals with the distribution of                                                               
their  power." He  pointed out  that AEA  did not  have any  rate                                                               
payers as  customers.  He  offered his  belief that this  was "an                                                               
area where government's not best to be in."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:11:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  paraphrased  from  slide 7,  "Bulk  Fuel  Tank  Farm                                                               
Upgrades (BFU)," which read:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Builds  code   compliant  fuel  storage   facilities  ?                                                                    
     Preventing  spills and  contamination ?  Decreasing the                                                                    
     per  unit cost  of fuel  by allowing  the community  to                                                                    
     purchase  bulk  quantities  ?  118  projects  completed                                                                    
     since 2000                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  added that  State of  Alaska funding  had contributed                                                               
almost  $10  million into  the  project,  as  well as  almost  $1                                                               
million  in  matching  funds  from the  Denali  Commission.    He                                                               
pointed  out that  there were  195 communities,  and there  was a                                                               
life cycle with on-going maintenance.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:12:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LINCOLN asked  if there was a  list of communities                                                               
and how would an interested community become part of this.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  offered that there was  a list and that  AEA was able                                                               
to build  four to five each  year, with a build  schedule already                                                               
scheduled for a few years.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LINCOLN asked  if there  was any  anticipation of                                                               
significant changes to the program.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER said  there was capital funds  money remaining through                                                               
the next  few years, and  there were discussions with  the Denali                                                               
Commission  to continue  a partnership.   He  said that  about 30                                                               
percent  of Denali  Commission money  went  to bulk  fuel or  the                                                               
powerhouses.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:13:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LINCOLN  asked if  this was capital  funding which                                                               
AEA already had or was it anticipated.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER replied  that this  was funding  which AEA  currently                                                               
had.   He explained that this  funding was included with  the PCE                                                               
formula,  which  would  first  be distributed  to  PCE,  then  to                                                               
community  assistance,  and  finally  70 percent  of  the  excess                                                               
earnings would go into bulk fuel or the powerhouses.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LINCOLN  asked if  the currently  proposed changes                                                               
to  the PCE  and  its endowment  would  put an  end  to this  AEA                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  explained that  under the  current proposal,  the PCE                                                               
funding  would go  into the  (Constitutional Budget  Reserve) CBR                                                               
which would instead create a  competitive environment for capital                                                               
funding as well as operating funding for AEA.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOPKINS asked  if AEA  could ensure  the program  would be                                                               
funded in the future.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  said that  AEA planned to  continue its  operation of                                                               
the program, regardless  of the outcome to  the budget situation.                                                               
He pointed  out that PCE  was still  fully funded in  the current                                                               
proposed  budget  but  would  receive  its  funding  out  of  the                                                               
operating fund, instead  of from its endowment.   He acknowledged                                                               
that the endowment  model was a better  guarantee for predictable                                                               
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:16:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  directed attention  to slide  8, "Rural  Power System                                                               
Upgrades (RPSU)," which read:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Improving   power   system   efficiency,   safety   and                                                                    
     reliability   ?   Builds  code   compliant   facilities                                                                    
     providing  stable  and reliable  power  ?  ~10% to  20%                                                                    
     efficiency  improvement  in   diesel  generation  ?  86                                                                    
     projects completed since 2000                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER   added  that  there   were  195   communities,  with                                                               
powerhouse upgrades only completed for  those 86 communities.  He                                                               
reported that,  as about 80  small villages in Rural  Alaska were                                                               
not  tied to  a utility,  the community  ran the  powerhouses and                                                               
without the  expertise, there was  a higher need  for maintenance                                                               
and  a shorter  life  expectancy.   He  reported  that there  was                                                               
greater success  when there  was staff training.   He  noted that                                                               
there were three to four new  projects each year in Rural Alaska.                                                               
He pointed  out that the  federal Diesel Emissions  Reduction Act                                                               
(DERA) also contributed funding.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:19:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER moved  on to slide 9, "Rural  Utility Assistance," and                                                               
reported that  in FY2018 there  had been 103 circuit  riders with                                                               
rural  utility worker  assistance in  Rural Alaska;  38 community                                                               
trainings;   and   6   communities   assisted   with   electrical                                                               
emergencies.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS  asked if there was  work to lower the  diesel fuel                                                               
needs of community buildings and homes so there was less demand.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied  that primarily the work to lower  the cost in                                                               
partnership   with  the   communities   was  for   work  on   the                                                               
powerhouses.   He referenced the  Energy Efficiency  program from                                                               
years past.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ZULKOSKY  discussed   her   earlier  work   with                                                               
renewable  energy  for a  non-profit  and  stated that  the  "low                                                               
hanging  fruit" was  energy  efficiency.   She  pointed out  that                                                               
significant investment  into inefficient  systems did  not afford                                                               
much opportunity for cost savings.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:21:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  introduced slide 10,  "Power Cost  Equalization (PCE)                                                               
Program," which read:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     195  communities served  ? Disbursed  $27M in  FY2018 ?                                                                    
     Regular  communication   with  rural   utilities  helps                                                                    
     identify  problems  early  ?  Supported  by  AEA  rural                                                                    
     utility  assistance  ?   Online  portal  will  increase                                                                    
     efficiency and accuracy of reporting                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:22:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER directed  attention to  slide  11, "PCE  is only  one                                                               
small piece of the community energy  cost pie."  He reported that                                                               
the total PCE reimbursement was  about 14 percent; while the non-                                                               
PCE  rate  payers,  such   as  commercial  buildings,  government                                                               
buildings, and  schools which  receive federal  dollars accounted                                                               
for 86 percent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:23:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   THAYER    shared   slide   12,   "PCE    Endowment   FY2019                                                               
Appropriations,"  and reported  that  the earnings  from the  PCE                                                               
Endowment was $112  million.  Of that, $32.4 million  went to AEA                                                               
for  power   cost  equalization   and  about  $381,000   went  to                                                               
administer the program.   He added that $120,000 of  this went to                                                               
the  Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska  (RCA)  and an  additional                                                               
$360,000 went  to the Department  of Revenue for  fund management                                                               
cost.    He reported  that  there  was  a  balance of  about  $79                                                               
million,  of  which,  per  the   formula,  70  percent  of  these                                                               
unobligated earnings equaled  $55 million.  Of  this $55 million,                                                               
$30  million  went  to  the  Community  Assistance  Program,  $14                                                               
million went to the Renewable  Energy Grant Fund, and $11 million                                                               
went to the Rural Power Systems  Upgrades.  He offered his belief                                                               
that  there would  be  upcoming earnings  of  about $78  million,                                                               
which would  lower that amount for  Community Assistance Program,                                                               
the  Renewable Energy  Grant Fund,  and the  Rural Power  Systems                                                               
Upgrades.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LINCOLN  asked if  bulk fuel  was included  in the                                                               
Rural Power Systems Upgrades.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  replied  the Rural  Power  Systems  Upgrades  needed                                                               
additional funding for what was budgeted.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LINCOLN asked if the PCE fund was within AEA.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied, "yes."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LINCOLN  asked  if the  appropriation  for  these                                                               
programs  still went  through the  Alaska  State Legislature  for                                                               
approval and required the signature of the governor.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER explained that it was now pre-determined in statute.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LINCOLN  asked if  it was dispersed  directly from                                                               
AEA, and not subject to the appropriations process.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  explained that  AEA first  received funding  from the                                                               
endowment for  the PCE, and  then, dependent on the  remainder of                                                               
the earnings, the  formula was used for  the Community Assistance                                                               
Program, the  Renewable Energy  Grant Fund,  and the  Rural Power                                                               
Systems Upgrades.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LINCOLN  asked  whether  the  mechanics  for  the                                                               
appropriations were through AEA or  through the legislature to go                                                               
through the appropriations process.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER said that he  would get back to Representative Lincoln                                                               
with that answer.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:26:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS asked about the  board reaction to maintain the PCE                                                               
program  without   the  endowment  fund  should   the  governor's                                                               
proposal move forward.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER relayed  that the  board had  discussed this,  and he                                                               
pointed out  that AEA  was still fully  funded, even  though this                                                               
process created a  more competitive environment.   He pointed out                                                               
that  during prior  competitive  environments, PCE  did not  ever                                                               
receive  the  full  funding  requested.   In  response  to  Chair                                                               
Hopkins, he  said this would have  happened from the mid  to late                                                               
1990s to the 2000s.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS asked if AEA received funding for staff.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  replied that  about  $250,000  was paid  for  staff,                                                               
travel,  and administration  of the  program.   He reported  that                                                               
there  were three  people  dedicated to  the  program, a  program                                                               
manager  and  two  clerks.    He added  that  there  were  shared                                                               
services which dispersed the money to the communities.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:28:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER addressed  slide 13,  "Renewable Energy  Fund (REF),"                                                               
which read:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     $268M invested in REF by  the State ? Boosted renewable                                                                    
     energy  market  in  Alaska   ?  Leveraged  hundreds  of                                                                    
     millions   of  federal   and  private   dollars  ?   73                                                                    
     operational  projects, 56  in development  ? Displacing                                                                    
     ~30 million diesel equivalent  gallons annually ? ~$74M                                                                    
     in fuel savings in 2018                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS asked if the committee  could receive a list of the                                                               
communities which  had received funding for  projects through the                                                               
REF from 2008 - 2019 per the map on slide 14.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:29:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  shared slide 15,  "REF Funding by Energy  Resource ($                                                               
millions)"  and listed  hydro, wind,  biomass, and  heat recovery                                                               
projects  in that  order for  having received  the most  funding.                                                               
These   were   followed  in   funding   for   heat  pumps,   some                                                               
transmission, a  little ocean/river  and a  little bit  of solar.                                                               
He noted that the funding had been "across the spectrum."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:30:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  moved on  to  slide  16,  "Power Project  Fund  Loan                                                               
Program," which read:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
       $27.5  committed or  disbursed for  18 loans  ? $10.7                                                                    
     million uncommitted  ? Flexible  loan program  ? Covers                                                                    
     all aspects of  supply side system ?  Relies on unique,                                                                    
     in-house  technical expertise  for  evaluation of  loan                                                                    
     viability    and   regulatory    compliance   ?    Loan                                                                    
     applications are  also vetted for economic  and finance                                                                    
     viability  ?  Critical  resource in  shift  from  grant                                                                    
     funded   to    debt   financed   energy    projects   ?                                                                    
     Participation continues to increase                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ZULKOSKY  referenced  slide  15  and  asked  what                                                               
projects   were  included   in   the  $14.6   million  spent   on                                                               
transmission.   She asked if  any of this specific  funding could                                                               
be used to help communities prepare  to bring projects on line by                                                               
addressing energy efficiency issues as a foundational step.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER asked if she was  referring to the planning and design                                                               
phase for projects.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ZULKOSKY  asked  if  energy  efficiency  projects                                                               
qualified  under this  fund as  a precursor  to renewable  energy                                                               
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied, "yes, they do."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ZULKOSKY  asked  for any  additional  information                                                               
related to this.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:32:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ, also referring  to slide 15, asked what                                                               
qualified as heat recovery.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  said that  he would "get  back to you  on that."   He                                                               
added  that  part  of  the  heat recovery  was  from  the  diesel                                                               
generation  by the  power houses.   He  noted that  there was  an                                                               
issue with  the generators, as  EPA did  not care for  the marine                                                               
generators used in Rural Alaska.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ  asked if  the  EPA  concerns were  for                                                               
emissions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER expressed  his agreement.   He  pointed out  that the                                                               
marine  generators were  more robust,  while generators  with all                                                               
the emissions [controls]  had a greater rate of  failure and were                                                               
costly to repair or replace.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ  asked  if these  additional  emissions                                                               
capacities made the generator more complicated.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER expressed his agreement.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:34:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  discussed slide  17, "$29.5  million approved  for 18                                                               
active projects."   He reported  that eight loans  were disbursed                                                               
for diesel  powerhouse, six loans  were disbursed for  hydro, two                                                               
loans  for  wind,  and  one each  for  biomass  and  distribution                                                               
systems.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:34:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  shared  slide  18,   "Alternative  Energy  &  Energy                                                               
Efficiency."  He  said that there were programs  which focused on                                                               
commercial buildings, rural public  buildings and facilities, and                                                               
statewide  outreach  and  education.   He  mentioned  the  Remote                                                               
Alaska  Energy  Efficiency  program   and  the  64  megawatts  of                                                               
installed  wind capacity  throughout the  state.   He noted  that                                                               
there  were  20  operating  biomass systems,  and  that  AEA  had                                                               
assisted with  70 hydro projects.   He noted that Alaska  was now                                                               
30  percent hydro,  with Kodiak  Island being  the champion  with                                                               
wind and hydro projects.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ asked  where was  the most  opportunity                                                               
for wind power which was not currently being taken advantage.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER reported  that AEA  had  done an  analysis of  energy                                                               
opportunities in Alaska  in 2000 and was  currently updating that                                                               
analysis  as technology  for renewables  had changed.   He  added                                                               
that  battery [technology]  had also  advanced during  this time.                                                               
He said that  AEA hoped to have that report  completed by the end                                                               
of the year.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOPKINS reflected  that often  the implementation  and the                                                               
cost for  many of  these energy  projects was  not feasible.   He                                                               
asked about the  64 megawatts of wind power in  Alaska, with half                                                               
of that being produced on Fire  Island.  He asked about Eva Creek                                                               
wind production, noting  that he thought it was  larger than Fire                                                               
Island with a planned expansion of generation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  said that this was  a private project and  not an AEA                                                               
project.   He added  that the  State of  Alaska had  invested $25                                                               
million in the transmission line.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS offered his understanding  that there was a plan to                                                               
build an additional transmission line  to expand Fire Island.  He                                                               
asked if AEA had any part in this.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER said  that  AEA  had not  been  approached about  any                                                               
future intentions for Fire Island.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOPKINS  asked if  AEA  would  offer any  assistance  with                                                               
funding that project.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER offered  his belief that this would  be a conversation                                                               
with the governor and the legislature.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:39:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  shared  slide  19,  "Energy  Project  Development  &                                                               
Financing," which read:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Planning,    evaluation    and   project    development                                                                    
     assistance  ? Data  collection  &  reporting ?  Utility                                                                    
     business  assistance ?  Financing  (e.g. Power  Project                                                                    
     Fund  loans)  ?  Critical  federal  partnerships  (e.g.                                                                    
     Denali Commission)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.   THAYER   reported   that,  as   Alaska   Village   Electric                                                               
Cooperative,  Incorporated (AVEC)  owned  and  operated about  80                                                               
healthy  utilities, he  was in  discussion  regarding the  future                                                               
AVEC takeover  of ownership in  many of these  other communities.                                                               
He pointed out that AVEC had a very good track record.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ZULKOSKY  pointed out  that AVEC  always indicated                                                               
that it was up to the local  community to opt in for working with                                                               
AVEC.   She asked  if AEA  was adequately  funded to  provide the                                                               
capacity for building and planning throughout Rural Alaska.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER said,  "the  short answer  is no."    He offered  his                                                               
belief  that  there  were often  opportunities  to  increase  the                                                               
powerhouses  and the  bulk fuel,  as there  was a  greater demand                                                               
than AEA had  time, resources, and personnel.  He  stated that it                                                               
was a policy  call for the legislature to  determine the balance.                                                               
He reported  that AEA had 30  staff with an additional  30 people                                                               
in services shared with Alaska  Industrial Development and Export                                                               
Authority  (AIDEA).   He expressed  his concern  for knowing  the                                                               
condition  of the  195 communities  in Rural  Alaska and  knowing                                                               
what AEA  could do to  predict the life  span with a  rotation of                                                               
maintenance.  He  declared that there was always a  need for more                                                               
money for these projects.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:43:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER presented  slide 20 "AEA provides  energy solutions to                                                               
meet the  unique needs  and opportunities  of Alaska's  rural and                                                               
urban communities."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  addressed the  Volkswagen settlement  and paraphrased                                                               
from slide 23, which read:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Volkswagen  violated the  Clean Air  Act and  they were                                                                    
     caught.  A  lawsuit  followed,   resulting  in  the  VW                                                                    
     Settlement.  23 ?  Alaska is  a beneficiary,  allocated                                                                    
     $8.125 million ? AEA is  the designated Lead Agency for                                                                    
     Alaska  ?  The   State's  Beneficiary  Mitigation  Plan                                                                    
     outlines  which   of  the  10   eligible  Environmental                                                                    
     Mitigation  Actions (EMAs)  Alaska will  fund ?  50% on                                                                    
     school  buses     10%  on   public  transit  ?  10%  on                                                                    
     commercial marine vessels ? 15%  on rural prime power ?                                                                    
     15% on Electric Vehicle charging infrastructure                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:44:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ asked about  the process for application                                                               
and distribution.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  explained that there  was an application  process for                                                               
communities to  apply for the  grants, which would  be evaluated,                                                               
and the money then dispersed based on the grant proposals.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ asked  if the  applications would  come                                                               
from the local governments.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied, "yes."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS  asked about the  working relationship  between AEA                                                               
and AIDEA.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER explained  that  this was  a  unique relationship  as                                                               
there  were two  very distinct  and different  missions.   Alaska                                                               
Industrial  Development  and  Export  Authority  (AIDEA)  focused                                                               
primarily on finance  and opportunity and as a  conduit for bonds                                                               
and  banks   for  economic  development;  whereas,   AEA  focused                                                               
primarily on  energy in Rural  Alaska.   He pointed out  that AEA                                                               
shared  with   AIDEA  the  services   of  about  30   people  for                                                               
accounting,  bookkeeping, procurement,  and contracting  and that                                                               
the two were  co-located in the same building.   He reported that                                                               
the  costs of  the shared  services and  the building  were split                                                               
equally between AEA and AIDEA.   In response to Chair Hopkins, he                                                               
said that AEA had about 30  staff while AIDEA had about 25 staff,                                                               
and  with the  shared  services,  there were  82  staff for  both                                                               
agencies.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:47:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ZULKOSKY asked to  clarify that AEA operated under                                                               
the AIDEA board structure.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied  that the two agencies shared  the same board,                                                               
although  there were  separate board  meetings.   He pointed  out                                                               
that primarily AEA were engineers and AIDEA were bankers.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ZULKOSKY  asked how  having a shared  board served                                                               
to accomplish  the AEA mission,  if board members  were "thinkers                                                               
in nature and might not be as familiar with energy issues."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  replied that  for the  current board  structure, this                                                               
was  not  the case,  as  there  were  two  members who  were  the                                                               
commissioners  of   the  Department  of  Commerce,   Community  &                                                               
Economic Development  and the Department  of Revenue,  along with                                                               
five public board  members.  He pointed out that  the vice chair,                                                               
a public member,  knew as much as anyone  about renewable energy.                                                               
He added that this was a very diverse board.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:49:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ZULKOSKY   asked   if  there   was   any   rural                                                               
representation to offer a village Alaska perspective.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  replied that,  as five members  of the  current board                                                               
were new,  he did  not know  any more  of their  background other                                                               
than  their bio.    He  added that  these  included  the two  new                                                               
commissioners and three public members.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ZULKOSKY asked  about the  selection process  for                                                               
the board members.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  explained that they  were selected and served  at the                                                               
"pleasure of the governor."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:51:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOPKINS  asked  if  Mr.  Thayer  saw  any  change  in  the                                                               
structure of AEA under the new administration.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  replied that, to  his understanding, there  would not                                                               
be  any changes  and  that  the governor  was  "dedicated to  the                                                               
mission  of   AEA."    He   shared  that  there  might   be  some                                                               
opportunities to "grow the mission."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER added that there had  not been any reduction in budget                                                               
or personnel, or any changes in structure, with the new budget.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS pointed  out that a change for funding  of AEA into                                                               
the  general fund  "certainly changes  the sustainability  of all                                                               
these important  programs."  He  expressed his concern  with this                                                               
flexible revenue system and the future of AEA.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied that he shared that concern.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:53:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at 11:53 a.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
2019-03-19 - Thayer AEA Overview.pdf HENE 3/19/2019 11:00:00 AM
Alaska Energy Authority Overview - Curtis Thayer